What Would You Say to God

I was recently asked, if I died and met God, what would I say to him? I think I would say, if such a scenario actually happened,

“WTF God, could you have described yourself as more of a horrible person, in the Bible? Why did you work so hard to hide your presence? Only announcing your existence to a select few, in a period of time were if any information actually makes it to the 21st century, it should be viewed under extreme scepticism!

Why did you either include or allow mankind to include all the contradictory stories in the Bible? You say you created all life within a few days, then why did you go through such tedious efforts of hiding fossils of different creatures in different rock strata. Why did you, try to trick people by only placing certain types of animals on islands and others elsewhere? Why did you feel the need to murder so many people for not abiding to your will, surly you could have just explained to them (yourself, not through another person) what you would do to them if they continue, so that you don’t just kill off everyone regardless of if some of them were good; causing so much pain and suffering. Or worse, having a human murder for you, causing that person unbearable mental distress!

Why when you created the universe, did you make it so immense that you had to make the light from the stars of these distant galaxies reach earth, so that when mankind gained the ability to judge the time of the universe, it would be incorrect? As if you purposely meant to trick them?

Why didn’t you step in and save your sentient beings from agonising suffering, loss, and the pain of death? Why must we go through all that before we can meet you; and then we are instantly judged by you and possibly sent to a horrible place of eternal torture that you allowed one of your angels (that you didn’t give free will to) to create?

The fact that you did all this makes you completely undeserving of any admiration! You are an evil and vile being!”

I suppose this is the general idea of what I would say.

What about you guys? What would you say to God if you could? Is there any major thing I left out?

Comment below


--Garrett Fogerlie

Christian Rhetoric

 Churches stress the idea to their members that the world is full of secular non-believers; and that believers are the minority so they should stick together and fight with all they can to prevent ‘Satanists’ from prospering. They train their members on how to combat the heathens. When in reality Christian's/Catholics take up almost 70% of the American population. I know that I'm making their point by promoting Atheism, but both myself and other Atheists/Agnostics are by far the minority. And beyond just being the minority, survey after survey, and debate after debate shows that Atheists are more moral than Christians and Catholics!

 

 As a member of such a church when I was a child, I was taught lessons, like having a person stand on a chair (representing a Christian being above Non-Christians) and someone standing on the ground tries to pull him down while at the same time the person on the chair is trying to pull the person on the ground up. This was used to show that you shouldn’t associate with non-believers, because it is much more likely that they will pull you down to their level instead of you pulling them 'up' to yours. Personally, I’m fairly sure the bible says to go out and preach to unbelievers, but the idea of segregating yourselves is probably safer, since once you start to learn about your religion from people outside of your family and church, it is more likely that you will notice the problems, inconsistencies and contradictions in your religion. If you haven’t seen the movie call Jesus Camp, a movie that shows children being brainwashed by religious extremists, I suggest you watch it (if you can stomach it). What goes on in the movie is hard to stomach and I think some of it defiantly falls within the bounds of child abuse. They are literally preparing children, little children for a ‘holy war’! Adults are filling young impressionable children with outrageous rhetoric! This must stop! This only breads hate and leads to death; there is no reason why a civilized country should let this happen!

The news (in America, since other countries don’t ban and protest anti-religious programs, at least not like they do in America) is full of minor stories about Atheists that they blow way out of perspective! The fears that religious people have against atheist many make you think that non-believers were the majority of this country, not a minority. President Bush Sr. once said, “I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God.” It’s reason like these that we have stopped being so passive! You may think that complaining about the Ten Commandments statue being outside court houses, is a pointless debate, but no! We are berated from all sides; so now we are finally demanding that America follows its own rules! And we are making our voices heard! There has been too much wars started by a group of people that think the world is coming to an end soon, and human life is far less valuable than the ‘next life’!

--Garrett Fogerlie 
   

Rev. Pat Robertson Is Beyond Nuts!!!

While I was researching for an article I am writing, I came across this letter to the Reverand Pat Robertson. For those of you who don't know who he is or just how crazy and full of hate he is, here are some notable quotes he has said.

"Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different...More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history."

"When lawlessness is abroad in the land, the same thing will happen here that happened in Nazi Germany. Many of those people involved with Adolph Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals – the two things seem to go together."

"The Islamic people, the Arabs, were the ones who captured Africans, put them in slavery, and sent them to America as slaves. Why would the people in America want to embrace the religion of slavers?"

"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians."

 

Spewing hate speech like he does, I can't believe that there is anyone that would let him near there organization! He should be put in jail or at least a mental institution!

Here is the letter, from Dan Barker to Pat Robertson:

Dear Rev. Robertson,

On behalf of our organization’s more than 16,000 members nationwide, and representing millions of atheists and agnostics, I am writing to protest your inflammatory and slanderous hate speech against nonbelievers, specifically your advice that no Christian should marry an atheist. During a program aired last year on the Christian Broadcast Network that has been recently rebroadcast, a woman with an atheist fiancé asked, “How do you think we can interact with each other peacefully when it comes to spiritual matters?” You responded unpeaceably:

I’m sure this is a nice guy, and you like him a lot, but the bible says, “What fellowship hath Christ with Belial?” There is no fellowship between an atheist and somebody who is a believer in God. . . . I hate to tell you, you’ve got to go find somebody else. . . . I mean, he’s gonna be serving the Devil and you’re gonna be serving God. It’s just that simple.

That remark is a blanket prejudicial smear against the character of all nonbelievers. If you had said the same thing about other minority groups — such as the recent controversy caused by Laura Schlessinger’s thoughtless use of the N-word on her show, suggesting to a caller that she should not have married “outside your race” — the country would be demanding your resignation, asking affiliates to cancel your show and calling on viewers to boycott your extremist, intolerant program. If you had told the woman to break up with a Jewish fiancé because Jews are “reprobate, dissolute and uncouth” (which is what “Belial” means), you would be properly branded an anti-Semite. If you had told her to dump her African-American fiancé because blacks are “worthless and useless” (which is also what “Belial” means), you would be quickly exposed as a racist. Likewise, labeling the entire class of nonbelievers as “demonic and evil,” and as the Devil itself (the meaning of “Belial” in the verse you misquoted), is equally abhorrent.

Discrimination is no longer socially acceptable. If it is shameful to be racist, sexist, anti-Semitic, anti-Catholic or homophobic, why is it laudable to be “atheophobic”? What gives you the freedom to engage in the irrational, fearful hate-mongering against secular people?

Atheists and agnostics are good people, at least as good as Christians, and in many ways better. It is a fact that we atheists have a lower divorce rate than born-again Christians. Atheists commit fewer crimes. We contribute as much, if not more, to charity, and work to solve social problems. We serve in the military and sit on juries. We are members of the police force that protect your life and property. We vote in elections and serve in government. We write many of the songs you love to sing and the lullabies that soothe your children to sleep. We teach your children and grandchildren, minister to your medical needs, investigate the science and forge the technology that makes our world a better place to live. Is it moral to shun thoughtful, productive citizens merely because they reject your dogma?

You said you were sure the fiancé was “a nice guy,” but with no further evidence of his character you pronounce that he is “serving the Devil.” Atheists are not superstitious and reject the primitive notion of a “Devil,” so your prejudice is doubly defamatory. Your callous anti-family advice may have broken up a good marriage, a union between two people who obviously love each other and are searching for a peaceful way to live in tolerance. Instead of harmony, you preach exclusivity, Christian superiority and cultish segregationism. You said there is “no peace in that situation” where believers are yoked unequally with nonbelievers. But I know of many “mixed marriages” where the couples choose to embrace each other in spite of their differences, respecting their partner’s freedom of thought. Instead of hatred, you should have advised love.

On behalf our members nationwide, I ask you to retract your bigoted statement and make a public apology for your callous religious denunciation of an entire group of people. It is no longer morally permissible to vilify nonbelievers.

Dan Barker for the Freedom From Religion Foundation

Amazing Life

Life results from the non-random survival of randomly varying replicators. -Richard Dawkins

 According to the concept of transformational evolution, first clearly articulated by Lamarck, evolution consists of the gradual transformation of organisms from one condition of existence to another. -Ernst Mayr

All questions about life have the same answer: natural selection. -Henry Bennet-Clark

 

 

 
After all, the universe required ten billion years of evolution before life was even possible; the evolution of the stars and the evolving of new chemical elements in the nuclear furnaces of the stars were indispensable prerequisites for the generation of life. -John Polkinghorne

  

 

All the evolution we know of proceeds from the vague to the definite. -Charles Sanders Peirce

Creationismreveals its non-scientific character in two ways: its central tenets cannot betested and its peripheral claims, which can be tested, have been proven false.At its core, the creationist account rests on "singularities" - thatis to say, on miracles. The creationist God is not the noble clock winder ofNewton and Boyle, who set the laws of nature properly at the beginning of timeand then released direct control in full confidence that his initial decisionswould require no revision. He is, instead, a constant presence, who suspendshis own laws when necessary to make the new or destroy the old. Since sciencecan treat only natural phenomena occurring in a context of invariant naturallaw, the constant invocation of miracles places creationism in another realm.-Stephen Jay Gould

 

 

Sex brought into existence the gene pool, made meaningfulthe species, and changed the whole ball game of evolution itself. -RichardDawkins

We all have a common ancestor, and we all have a commonancestry with the plant in the lobby. This is what evolution tells us. And,it's true. It's kind of unbelievable. -Jeff Hawkins

 

 

"We are here because one odd group of fishes had apeculiar fin anatomy that could transform into legs for terrestrial creatures;because the earth never froze entirely during an ice age; because a small andtenuous species, arising in Africa a quarter of a million years ago, hasmanaged, so far, to survive by hook and by crook. We may yearn for a 'higher'answer - but none exists." -Stephen Jay Gould

 

"Seen in retrospect, evolution as a whole doubtless hada general direction, from simple to complex, from dependence on to relativeindependence of the environment, to greater and greater autonomy ofindividuals, greater and greater development of sense organs and nervoussystems conveying and processing information about the state of the organism'ssurroundings, and finally greater and greater consciousness. You can call thisdirection progress or by some other name." -Theodosius Dobzhansky

Agricultural practice served Darwin as the material basisfor the elaboration of his theory of Evolution, which explained the naturalcausation of the adaptation we see in the structure of the organic world. Thatwas a great advance in the knowledge of living nature. -Trofim Lysenko

Darwinism did not strip meaning from the world butintensified it, 'by identifying it in as many aspects of life as possible'. -Neal Ascherson

 

"We do not and we should not teach rubbish and superstitionalongside science. "Intelligent design" is not even a theory. It ismore like a mentality. It admits of no verification or falsity and does notdeserve to be mentioned in the same breath as a series of hypotheses andexperiments that have served us well in analyzing the fossil record, the recordof molecular biology, and — through the unraveling of the DNA strings — ourkinship with other species. And this is to say nothing of the possibility ofmedical advances that may astonish us in our own lifetimes. To put astrology onthe same blackboard as the Hubble telescope would be an approximate analogy." -Christopher Hitchens

"Agricultural practice served Darwin as the material basisfor the elaboration of his theory of Evolution, which explained the naturalcausation of the adaptation we see in the structure of the organic world. Thatwas a great advance in the knowledge of living nature." -Trofim Lysenko

"Let me lay my cards on the table. If I were to give an awardfor the single best idea anyone ever had, I'd give it to Darwin, ahead of evenNewton or Einstein and everyone else. In a single stroke, the idea of evolutionby natural selection unifies the realm of life, meaning and purpose with therealm of space and time, cause and effect, mechanism and physical law. It isnot just a wonderful idea. It is a dangerous idea." - Daniel Dennett

And finally I saved this picture for last, because this is a Paris Japonica flower and it has the worlds longest genome! An astonishing 149 billion base pairs, making it 50 times the size of a human genome!

A Conversation with Katherine

The following is from the comments section of my article on Infinity. The conversation has grown too big and abstract for that section so I have decided to make it a post.

It is a conversation about belief's between myself Garrett, an Atheist, and Katherine, a born again Christian. This post will continue to be updated as the conversation continues.

kathy said...

"Because the people that wrote the bible had little if any understanding of infinity; we should, with a high probability of being correct, remove the title of infinity from God. At the very least, we know that the understanding of infinity has greatly changed since it was bestowed to God"

 

first, the IDEA of infinity existed BEFORE math could explain it. then, math did explain it--according to what their theorems/worlds of thoughts allowed/said so. hence, it's clear that math made a definition of infinity for its own purpose. a definition of infinity FOR mathematics. it is not all encompassing. why then negate the whole idea of infinity assigned to those outside mathematics? you say infinity is a concept. it is a concept not exclusive to your math. 

 

the idea of infinity was there. math USED it. then, there are people say math OWNS it. 

 

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we are given freewill. freewill necessitated a thinking brain and a feeling heart. that's all we needed. (our bodies, our form, how we look are not covered by that free will. being humans as we are is not our choice)

there is good. there is evil. we were not *automatically* given these. otherwise, the one who gave us free will would have violated our free will if something was forced to us. if good was forced to us. if evil was forced to us.

 

but since good and evil were there. they were left there. they were not taken away/hidden from us either. otherwise, just the same as the first case, our free will would have been violated.

 

so good and evil were there. and we have free will to choose if we want to know about them or not. and after we know about them, which one we are to follow. it's up to us as free beings.

 

we were given a command. yes. but it was up to us to obey. or disobey.

 

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thanks for the opportunity to respond

 

Garrett Fogerlie said...

Thanks, Kathy. I liked what you had to say, I'm not sure we are exactly on the same page. (but not too far off) I hope to discuss this with you further. You can email me at Garrett@eviltheists.com, or I will just reply to you again in this comment page. However for rite now I have to get to work. I just wanted to say thanks.

kathy said... 

 

hi, i think i'll just wait for your comment here. but actually im more interested about free will. i also hope to discuss more on this topic. 

 

i'll also find time to read your other blog posts. thanks.

Garrett Fogerlie said...

The idea of infinity existed way before math was able to explain it. That was kind of my point, that a people with next to no REAL understanding of infinity, deemed God to be infinite. My understanding is that they gave all the good things to God, infinite love, forgiveness, etc. However now-a-days we understand that infinity is pretty much just a concept. If the universe was infinite (as much as I would hope that it is) it would be forced to include God and an infinite amount of things larger then God, not to mention infinite forms of life. My point, at least in this article, was that we shouldn’t label God infinite anymore, because the meaning of the word has changed; how about just that God is great. Although I am an Atheist and completely believe that God is something that man created. Perhaps believe is the wrong word, I think it is the most plausible theory, and if a more plausible theory comes around and is able to hold water, then I would probably move on to that one. Free will is a broad concept and like many things, people’s view of it varies greatly. What is your thought, do you think we are the only creatures on earth that have free will? Or do animals have it too? I personally don't think that we have free will, at least no different than any other creature on earth. We can of course override biology with free will, like saving someone’s life at our own demise. There are many things we can choose to do, but there are also many more we can't. That’s just the summed up version of my view on free will, as I said it is a huge topic. What are your thoughts?

kathy said... 

  i think i get your point about infinity. if what you mean is that infinity is simply a concept of an implausible state. that nothing really can be infinite (if i still don't get it, just leave a short note and i'll find time to think it over)

 

as regards free will, the argument "there are many things we can choose to do, but there are also many more we can't" is usually raised by students new to existentialism classes, when they start talking about free will, choice, responsibilities, etc. if i can borrow what existential philosopher Sartre said, "we are merely thrown into this world." what we are is how we were made to be and where we are is where we were placed. we can't control that. but who we are, how we will live our lives, it is up to us. 

 

there are things that we can't do about. (we can accept this as fact or not. nonetheless, they remain) we can always choose. then we are free. 

 

..unless we want free will to mean that we can will ourselves to be, will other things to be according to our liking, will the universe to be something else. but for me this is clearly a flawed concept of free will.

 

my summed up version, our free will is contained in our current state and the current state of things outside of us. (and unfortunately we cannot will ours or others' current state to be otherwise.) we are free to change only we can change. because we don't have super powers and we don't exist seclusion, we only have one universe to share with others.

 

i have 2 pet dogs and they are very much dear to me. and i also think they like me very much. i'd like to believe that they *made a choice* to like me and be loyal to me. but i cannot converse with them so i can't know their thoughts. but in the current state of things, i don't think their free will is much like what human beings have.

 

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this is (again) very long for a comment. i'm sorry for flooding your blog. i think im soon going to start my own blog (which ive been postponing for a decade)

 

thanks for letting me share my thoughts.

oh, about my comment about the existentialism class, actually i wanted to share that i also raised that question when we studied free will in first year college.

Garrett Fogerlie said...

Free will is a very broad subject indeed, and I think a lot of people go their entire lives without defining it, or worse, they define it as only having the choice to choose God or not, and nothing more. It has been a long time since I took humanities classes in college, and I’m sure my views have varied since then but this is the gist of what I think: We (as humans) on a basic level, have the same free will as animals do, except that we have a much more evolved consciousness and understanding of 'the self'. But our choices are dictated in much the same way as animals choices are. I too have a dog, and if he had the option, he would run wild down the street, not because he doesn't like me (hopefully) but because he is driven by his hunger and sexual needs that are stimulated by all the different odors he can discern. Free will is similar to morals; it can vary wildly and everybody should have their own definition for it. Thank you for your insight. Be sure to send me a link to your blog once you get it up and going. As a side note, what are your religious beliefs?

Katherine said... 

 

:)

I believe I am a creation. I’m not a product of chance. And just as all other creations, I was created with a purpose. 

 

I believe my creator is good. Because I was created with reverence and respect. I know because I am unique and wonderful. 

 

I believe my creator is mindful of me. Because I was given a life of my own. I could have been a mere subject—no free will of my own. But I am free. Free to enjoy that goodness of existence.

 

It is not my choice to exist. I did not choose my form or condition. But I exist, nonetheless. And I am given freedom to live my life as I will it.

 

In my existence, I remember I am a creation. I remember my creator. And I remember that I am created for a purpose—that which my creator willed. I am free. Yet my life is not mine, as my purpose is not for myself—but for and of my creator.

 

What good is a creation that doesn't serve its purpose?

 

I am free to will my own will. But I choose to will according to the will of my creator. Because I remember I am a creation.

 

And by my will, I give thanks. 

 

What greater pleasure is there for a creation, in its freedom, to willfully please the creator?

 

I believe my creator is God. And that Jesus is His Son.

 

I believe that religion is often harsh and unkind. But God is not like that; He is good. And Jesus is equally good.

 

Therefore, I am not religious. I am a Christian—born again in Christ Jesus.

 

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Why I believe in God and why I want to please Him. I tried to make it as simple as I can at the time of my writing this. But I expect many who would read to find loopholes. I am just hoping that soon I would be able to share in better language and detail what I believe in why I believe it. Your question was actually difficult. You asked me to summarize my beliefs as a comment to a blog (but minus many of the intricacies of my beliefs, of course). It was a hard task to explain it to an atheist. But I’m so glad I had the chance to do it. I hope you continue to listen to my thoughts as I continue to listen to yours. You’re free to contradict, it’s alright. And I’m looking forward to more thinking and sharing with you. 

 

Garrett Fogerlie said... 

 

I’ll try to be easy on you. Let me start of by saying that I was once a Christian, a committed one, I went on missionary trips, grew up in a Christian school, and was very active in the church; so I do know and understand where you are coming from. It wasn’t until I started questioning things, like the fact that there are billions of ‘good and holly’ people on earth but no more than about 1/3 share the same belief, so at the least, about 66% of ‘good and holly’ people would end up going to Hell.

Just like I questioned my own beliefs, I ask you to question yours:

I believe I am a creation. I’m not a product of chance. And just as all other creations, I was created with a purpose.

Without stretching your believes in any way, yet; You are in many ways a product of chance, from you surviving to this point, your parents having you, and their parents so forth and so on. Being created with a purpose isn’t always a good thing, look at Marjoe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marjoe it’s a very interesting story. I personally prefer to define my own purpose, my mother wanted me to be a doctor, but I was way more interested in electronics and physics.

I believe my creator is good. Because I was created with reverence and respect. I know because I am unique and wonderful.

Being created with reverence and respect says nothing about the character of the creator. example: Tomas de Torquemada, made Grand Inquisitor by Pope Sixtus IV, he created horrible means of touchier for the Christian Inquisition (fight against heretics) I chose him because working for the Pope and his faith, he certainly created his devices with reverence and respect; but is now thought of as one of the most evil people in history. Perhaps he may have not been a evil person if it wasn’t for his religion, to quote Steven Weinberg, “With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion.”

I believe my creator is mindful of me. Because I was given a life of my own. I could have been a mere subject—no free will of my own. But I am free. Free to enjoy that goodness of existence.

I don’t quite see the connection of your “creator is mindful of you because you have your own life.” At any rate, any rebuttal to it would be based on just as vague ideas, I think.

It is not my choice to exist. I did not choose my form or condition. But I exist, nonetheless. And I am given freedom to live my life as I will it.

Similar to the above, however everything that exists didn’t choose to exist or it’s ‘form’ (form in the broad sense, cause you can modify your form partially.) If God exists, even he did not choose to, by the mere logic that something that does not exist cannot make a choice, not even a choice to exist. And your freedom to live your life is limited in many ways, from location, oppression, form and life/death, just to name a few. I know we already touched on this in a previous conversation.

In my existence, I remember I am a creation. I remember my creator. And I remember that I am created for a purpose—that which my creator willed. I am free. Yet my life is not mine, as my purpose is not for myself—but for and of my creator.

I think you are saying that these are things you determined/decided on, not things that were decided for you, right?

What good is a creation that doesn't serve its purpose?

Once again our views of purpose are what we decide, because we cannot know for sure what we were intended for. You seem to believe that God was your creator and he created you to serve him. On the other hand I believe that I am the product of millions of years of Evolution and if it had a purpose for me (it didn’t, but) it would be to live and reproduce. We both believe what we do based on our comprehending and acceptance of the evidence we have been confronted with. Not all creations serve their purpose, in fact that’s how new inventions and purposes emerge, by mistakes and errors.

I am free to will my own will. But I choose to will according to the will of my creator. Because I remember I am a creation.

I would reword the “Because I remember I am a creation” to because I believe I was created by God and I chose to serve him. Nevertheless, this is your thought and there is no short rebuttal to it while trying not to be disrespectful.

And by my will, I give thanks.

Ok, fair enough.

What greater pleasure is there for a creation, in its freedom, to willfully please the creator?

I don’t know, but I can purpose a situation that does not include you. In the bible it is very clear that God’s creations, sometimes angels and sometimes people, purpose was to kill and destroy other people, lives and civilizations. This still happens today, i.e. killing in the name of your God, etc. I know this is not what you meant, don’t get me wrong, but some people do believe this is why they were created, and if this was the reason I was created, I would have NO pleasure from it, nor would I be likely to actually do it. I assume as an intelligent and good person you wouldn’t either.

I believe my creator is God. And that Jesus is His Son.

I believe that religion is often harsh and unkind. But God is not like that; He is good. And Jesus is equally good.

Religion is often harsh and unkind, but this is a product of religion being based on so called ‘Holly Books’ that were written by barbaric people. And God is (at least if you believe the bible is true and his word) very evil. http://www.eviltheists.com/2011/04/old-testament-evil-god.html

Therefore, I am not religious. I am a Christian—born again in Christ Jesus.

I think you mean you are religious. Was that a typo or are to trying to explain something I missed?

Thanks you very much for your reply, I found your belief ideas very interesting.

American Religious Extremists

Quotes from the The American Taliban, these are phrases that Christian extremists have said. There are people that say that Christians don't hate anything like Muslims do. This is obviously not correct! So without further to say, here are some Horrible Quotes from some of the most popular religious Americans:

George Bush Sr. (President of the United States)
"I don't know that atheists should be considered citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."

George W. Bush (President of the United States)
	"I don't think that witchcraft is a religion. I wish the military would rethink this decision."* "God told me to strike at al Qaida and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam, which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them." "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." "This crusade, this war on terrorism is going to take a while."
	*Comment about Wiccans in the military

Ann Coulter

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war." "Not all Muslims may be terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims." "Being nice to people is, in fact, one of the incidental tenets of Christianity, as opposed to other religions whose tenets are more along the lines of 'kill everyone who doesn't smell bad and doesn't answer to the name Mohammed'"

Pat Robertson (Christian Coalition)

"The Islamic people, the Arabs, were the ones who captured Africans, put them in slavery, and sent them to America as slaves. Why would the people in America want to embrace the religion of slavers?" "Just like what Nazi Germany did to the Jews, so liberal America is now doing to the evangelical Christians. It's no different...More terrible than anything suffered by any minority in history." "When lawlessness is abroad in the land, the same thing will happen here that happened in Nazi Germany. Many of those people involved with Adolph Hitler were Satanists, many of them were homosexuals – the two things seem to go together." "The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians." "You say you're supposed to be nice to the Episcopalians and the Presbyterians and the Methodists and this, that, and the other thing. Nonsense, I don't have to be nice to the spirit of the Antichrist." "I know this is painful for the ladies to hear, but if you get married, you have accepted the headship of a man, your husband. Christ is the head of the household and the husband is the head of the wife, and that's the way it is, period." "[Homosexuals] want to come into churches and disrupt church services and throw blood all around and try to give people AIDS and spit in the face of ministers." "[Planned Parenthood] is teaching kids to fornicate, teaching people to have adultery, every kind of bestiality, homosexuality, lesbianism – everything that the Bible condemns."

Bailey Smith
"With all due respect to those dear people, my friend, God Almighty does not hear the prayer of a Jew."

Beverly LaHaye (Concerned Women for America)
	"Yes, religion and politics do mix. America is a nation based on biblical principles. Christian values dominate our government. The test of those values is the Bible. Politicians who do not use the bible to guide their public and private lives do not belong in office."

Bob Dornan (Rep. R-CA)
"Don't use the word 'gay' unless it's an acronym for 'Got Aids Yet'"

David Barton (Wallbuilders)
	"There should be absolutely no 'Separation of Church and State' in America."

David Trosch
"Sodomy is a graver sin than murder. – Unless there is life there can be no murder."

Fob James (Governor of Alabama)
	"Behind this judicial wall of separation there is a tyranny of lies that will fall... I say to you, my friends, let it fall!" "A good butt-whipping and then a prayer is a wonderful remedy."

Fred Phelps (Westboro Baptist Church)

"If you got to castrate your miserable self with a piece of rusty barb wire, do it." "Hear the word of the LORD, America, fag-enablers are worse than the fags themselves, and will be punished in the everlasting lake of fire!" "You telling these miserable, Hell-bound, bath house-wallowing, anal-copulating fags that God loves them!? You have bats in the belfry!" "American Veterans are to blame for the fag takeover of this nation. They have the power in their political lobby to influence the zeitgeist, get the fags out of the military, and back in the closet where they belong!" "Not only is homosexuality a sin, but anyone who supports fags is just as guilty as they are. You are both worthy of death."

Gary Bauer (American Values)
	"We are engaged in a social, political, and cultural war. There's a lot of talk in America about pluralism. But the bottom line is somebody's values will prevail. And the winner gets the right to teach our children what to believe."

Gary North (Institute for Christian Economics)
"The long-term goal of Christians in politics should be to gain exclusive control over the franchise. Those who refuse to submit publicly to the eternal sanctions of God by submitting to His Church's public marks of the covenant–baptism and holy communion–must be denied citizenship." "This is God's world, not Satan's. Christians are the lawful heirs, not non-Christians."

Gary Potter (Catholics for Christian Political Action)
	"When the Christian majority takes over this country, there will be no satanic churches, no more free distribution of pornography, no more talk of rights for homosexuals. After the Christian majority takes control, pluralism will be seen as immoral and evil and the state will not permit anybody the right to practice evil."

	Henry Morris (Founder, Institute for Creation Research, died 2006) "When science and the Bible differ, science has obviously misinterpreted its data."

J. B. Stoner (White Supremacist) (1924 - 2005)

"We had lost the fight for the preservation of the white race until God himself intervened in earthly affairs with AIDS to rescue and preserve the white race that he had created.... I praise God all the time for AIDS." "AIDS is a racial disease of Jews and Niggers, and fortunately it is wiping out the queers. I guess God hates queers for several reasons. There is one big reason to be against queers and that is because every time some white boy is seduced by a queer into becoming a queer, means his white bloodline has run out."

James Dobson (Focus on the Family)
"Those who control the access to the minds of children will set the agenda for the future of the nation and the future of the western world." "State Universities are breeding grounds, quite literally, for sexually transmitted diseases (including HIV), homosexual behavior, unwanted pregnancies, abortions, alcoholism, and drug abuse." "Today's children... They're damned. They're gone."

James Kennedy (Center for Reclaiming America)
	"The Christian community has a golden opportunity to train an army of dedicated teachers who can invade the public school classrooms and use them to influence the nation for Christ."

James Watt (Secretary of the Interior)
"We don't have to protect the environment, the Second Coming is at hand."*
*Secretary of the Interior in the Reagan Admin. Responsible for National Policy regarding the Environment

Jay Grimstead (Coalition on Revival)
	"We are to make Bible-obeying disciples of anybody that gets in our way."

Jerry Falwell (1933 - 2007)

"We're fighting against humanism, we're fighting against liberalism...we are fighting against all the systems of Satan that are destroying our nation today...our battle is with Satan himself." "AIDS is the wrath of a just God against homosexuals. To oppose it would be like an Israelite jumping in the Red Sea to save one of Pharoah's chariotters." "The Bible is the inerrant ... word of the living God. It is absolutely infallible, without error in all matters pertaining to faith and practice, as well as in areas such as geography, science, history, etc." "AIDS is not just God's punishment for homosexuals; it is God's punishment for the society that tolerates homosexuals." "If you're not a born-again Christian, you're a failure as a human being."

Jesse Helms (Senator R-NC, 1973-2003)

"The New York Times and Washington Post are both infested with homosexuals themselves. Just about every person down there is a homosexual or lesbian." "All Latins are volatile people. Hence, I was not surprised at the volatile reaction." "Your tax dollars are being used to pay for grade-school classes that teach our children that cannibalism, wife-swapping and murder of infants and the elderly are acceptable behavior." "Homosexuals are weak, morally sick wretches."

Jimmy Swaggart (Jimmy Swaggart Ministries)

"The Media is ruled by Satan. But yet I wonder if many Christians fully understand that. Also, will they believe what the Media says, considering that its aim is to steal, kill, and destroy?" "Sex education classes in our public schools are promoting incest." "Evolution is a bankrupt speculative philosophy, not a scientific fact. Only a spiritually bankrupt society could ever believe it...Only atheists could accept this Satanic theory."

John Ashcroft (Attorney General)
	"Civilized people – Muslims, Christians, and Jews – all understand that the source of freedom and human dignity is the Creator."

John Whitehead (Rutherford Institute)
"The [Supreme] Court, by seeking to equate Christianity with other religions, merely assaults the one faith. The Court in essence is assailing the true God by democratizing the Christian religion."

Joseph McCarthy (1908 - 1957)(Senator, R-WI, 1947-1957)
	"Today we are engaged in a final, all-out battle between Communistic Atheism and Christianity."

Joseph Morecraft (Chalcedon Presbyterian Church)
"Nobody has the right to worship on this planet any other God than Jehovah. And therefore the state does not have the responsibility to defend anybody's pseudo-right to worship an idol."

Joseph Scheidler (Pro-Life Action League)
	"I would like to outlaw contraception...contraception is disgusting – people using each other for pleasure."

Kay O'Connor (Kansas Senate Republican)
"I'm an old-fashioned woman. Men should take care of women, and if men were taking care of women today, we wouldn't have to vote."

Keith A. Fournier (Catholic Way)
	"We need a legal strategy which protects the rights of those of us who hold Christian convictions which will afford us the opportunity to contend once again for the mind of this culture."

Laura Schlessinger
"I want to coin a phrase here, and I don't mind help. What would be the communication version of "ethnic cleansing?" Because that's what in particular the homosexual activists try to do."